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the same as a brother

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so close to another

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it's the same as my brother

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with days

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constitutes a a different form of life

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what's up everybody happy to have you

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here

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and you know what day it is it's the day

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that we've all been waiting for me

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especially

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because

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our wednesday friend joins us

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his official name is not wednesday

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friend

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however i've petitioned

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for it to be

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i will update you

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as soon as possible

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for now i'll call him by his lawful name

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jay christopher

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king how are you

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i'm doing well it's great to see you

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probably

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never weird everybody off by now

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i mean

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if they would have been weirded out by

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you it would have happened months ago

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right

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i mean

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you figure right

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i think yeah

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i uh between the news today and i i just

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picked up

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my copy of above top secret by tim good

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which is gonna be

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our uh

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the same guy i know

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yeah it's so weird because uh we're both

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in uap book club together and we're

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maybe we should tell them about how we

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cloned mine

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that's right yeah

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very dolly the sheep kind of situation

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yeah it was really kind of uh mr rendell

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to suggest

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a book

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that's uh

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you know 584

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592 pages

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you know to just casually

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dive into amidst all the other work that

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we've got going on did he say something

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to about like oh don't worry the last

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150 pages are just like pictures or

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something so it's really only 400.

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i mean they're all it's like reference

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appendices it actually does seem kind of

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important but anyway it'll be great yeah

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looking forward to it it's a good book

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big big news day yeah i woke up and

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you know it's like the headline of a

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lifetime and first of all if tim ever

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gets around to watching this i want to

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thank him profusely for coming up with

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the title of that

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because it's an attention grabber and

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we're using it so

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we'll probably benefit from that a

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little bit you know so

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sex lies in ufos

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mean it just keeps getting better from

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there through the course of the headline

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too sex lies and ufos

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pentagon's head of counter intelligence

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and security ousted

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um a really

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a really wild course of events today um

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tim says that they've been

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the the kind of the story going into

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and what's been preceding this story

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and and he's been kind of hinting at it

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with lou elizondo or the uap task force

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but of course we'll be looking at it

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from that angle as well over the course

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of the day today right um

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so we can sit go through the article a

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little bit give people a little bit of

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context and then um

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here in about 25 minutes or so we have a

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special guest coming on chris sharp from

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the liberation times is joining us to do

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a little

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analysis about uh current events and the

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article that we're going to talk about

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today yep sounds good and you're you're

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breaking up just a little bit here and

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there but you you seem to be

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zapping right back when that happens so

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just letting you know in case something

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happens everything's okay

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i'll do whatever kind of whammies i can

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to to stay on board here

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yeah i mean the article

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first of all i put it in the description

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for people if they want to check it out

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for themselves which you know i do

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um and as he said

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it a couple years in the making when

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you're working on something for that

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man a lot of work goes into it a lot of

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something for that long even like songs

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or albums or whatever even when i try to

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sit on things for too long i just

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get too impatient so like kudos to dude

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um tim mcmillan for doing that

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you know he put a lot of effort into it

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and i think it really paid off because

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he really captured a lot of what was

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going on behind the scenes as far as uap

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but other really important things that

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kind of are important to our our world

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sexual harassment and you know

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kind of using their power uh over women

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and other people um

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just be kind of cocky [\h__\h] and i

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think we've all gotten to the point uh

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in this day and age where we are just

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like kind of sick and tired of that

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you know no one deserves that first of

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all um

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it gives other people a bad name as well

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in a bad rep

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um and women are just you know

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a lot smarter than us

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that the better

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absolutely well and and the article also

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in this story also wraps in

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a complete botched ending

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to a uh

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to a 20-year war

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uh in afghanistan as well and so there's

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there's a lot about kind of

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the life in the day and age that we're

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in um that this article and the story

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really references

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true

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so yeah i love that meme i saw benji

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posted earlier today and uh that was

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really cute

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so we're talking about a guy named gary

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reed right

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we're talking about gary reed not harry

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reid the

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uh dearly

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beloved uh former senator

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um who was a guest on witness citizen

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months before he passed

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but we're talking about gary reed who

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apparently um

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helped botch our exit from afghanistan

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who was

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according to tim mcmillan a

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serial sexual harasser

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at in his office

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do a lot in terms of of slow walking

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disclosure efforts um via the uap task

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force

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so it's it's just a bombshell article a

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real jaw dropper to see here you know um

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as it says at the beginning as the

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pentagon's director for defense

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intelligence and the senior executive in

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the office of the under secretary of

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defense for intelligence and security

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gary reed was in charge of all counter

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intelligence security and law

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enforcement operations with the

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department of defense so this is a very

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very senior official here before his

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reid had been the subject of a nearly

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that reid had violated joint ethics

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regulations by creating an appearance of

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preferential treatment with a female

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subordinate in mishandling of controlled

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sending a work email from his personal

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account that had that had classified

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the preferential treatment they had

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secret lunches where they closed the

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door they'd take trips out to europe

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together um and he tried to say that he

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was like her mentor or whatever and he

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gave her like kisses on the cheek and

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hugs and that lady apparently um wasn't

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seemingly okay with it and they were

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doing this thing together and even

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you know later on you learned that both

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of them seemingly headed out for louis

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elizondo um because lou elizondo wound

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up going over his head

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uh with the with the uap um stuff

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because he couldn't trust gary because

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of stuff like this that he was doing in

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the store you also hear about an

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employee number two employee number two

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was a gal who was um getting hugged and

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like kissed on the cheek and did not

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like it

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um

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that it was sexual harassment

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you know the interesting thing to me is

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wow what a jerk off some guys in here

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calling that lady a name

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what a

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douche

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wow um

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and that lady

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that this gary reed

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you know said she never said anything

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about like minding the the kiss on the

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cheek or the hugs or anything like that

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pathetic

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why would you ever need to give a girl

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like a kiss on the cheek or anything

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that works for you or anything like that

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like there's no reason to do that we're

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not in france it's not how you greet

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people like it's just completely

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inappropriate to to do that you know so

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he admitted it in even saying

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you know that she didn't mind so

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that happened

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apparently a lot of other people uh had

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negative things to say about him as well

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macmillan doctor lots of people up to 14

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or something like that and the majority

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of them

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did not say kind things in one way shape

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or form

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um

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and you know then later on the story

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also mentioned and talked about

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afghanistan and how he botched that and

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essentially put the whole mission of you

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know getting our troops out of there on

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hold just for the fact

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so he could come in and let everybody

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know that he was the one in charge which

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to me is just pretty darn awful talk

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about ego

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and

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you know sacrificing

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um

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people's lives for your ego so

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um from what we've read and everything

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good riddance i'm glad the guy's gone

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um he was also

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you know holding back this uap stuff

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making louis elizando's life pretty much

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a nightmare apparently coaching susan

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gao on what to say about luella zondo

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which was

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pretty much lying about him to the

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public to us

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um in making his battle with what he was

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doing

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with fighting for uap transparency which

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is hardened in and of itself

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even harder

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you know

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and subsequently we see all these people

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um whatever media outlet you want to use

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that use the thing susan gao said

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like

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you know he had no business with atip or

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whatever

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you know using that to continue

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to try to pull

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elizondo down

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who in my opinion is not as good man

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doing good work

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so

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just putting it into context there

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oh absolutely and

346
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along those lines you know this

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this this guy gary reed apparently as it

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says in the debrief article and of

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course this is a developing story so

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we're going to find out more details in

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the days to come we're going to be doing

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the best analysis that we can do day of

353
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today in kind of looking at analyzing

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the story and bringing chris in to talk

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about it

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but gary reed apparently according to

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tim mcmillan and according to this

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article he did honorable service in the

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delta force in the army when he was

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younger and according to various people

361
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that didn't necessarily want to be named

362
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uh it was when he

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came to the pentagon that things started

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to go awry

365
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right right and if it was if it was just

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in a consensual workplace relationship

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you know in 2022

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um it sounds like from the tenor of the

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article that a lot of people would have

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generally speaking turned a blind eye to

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that but it was more the

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the call the whole constellation of

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things and in a way that way it's it's

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it's shocking in its own right that in

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this day and age

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that it takes an inappropriate

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relationship

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a unwanted unwanted sexual advances

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and the complete botched exit of a

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20-year war in afghanistan

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uh

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all of those things for a guy to to get

383
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booted in a senior position like his

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uh yeah you know like it doesn't seem

385
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like it it should have to take that much

386
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but it also apparently took a an

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and ig

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uh

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that um lou elizondo and danny sheehan

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uh

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you know filed a complaint right and

392
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that that that really helped um

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precipitate his exit apparently which is

394
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which is pretty fascinating you know

395
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yeah it's about yeah like you said i

396
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think you hit the nail on the head like

397
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all of the things that were mentioned in

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that article it was an all-encompassing

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thing that kind of booted in his butt

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out the door you know versus one thing

401
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or another and

402
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you know um

403
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it should be enough if he's hugging and

404
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kiss girls on the cheek that don't want

405
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it to to get rid of the guy you know

406
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unfortunately that wasn't the case

407
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he had his claws deep in his position

408
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you know seemingly in the pentagon so

409
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regardless i'm glad he is out of there

410
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now i guess the the flip side of this is

411
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you know how much did he really

412
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you know this is a ufo show

413
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more or less how much did he actually

414
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hold back

415
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you know uap transparency um

416
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obviously he did because he had some

417
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sort of vendetta against elizondo as far

418
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as we know that was the only reason i

419
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think maybe it's not as black and white

420
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as that

421
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although i'm sure that is a reason

422
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there could be others as well like what

423
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we hear about people being demonic i

424
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:30,880
remember lou elizondo telling someone

425
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asking someone about it frank and it was

426
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somebody above him that told him we

427
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:37,279
already know what it is it's demons you

428
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,560
know

429
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it was he one of those guys too i don't

430
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,040
know that's speculation but

431
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,519
you know i think it has to be

432
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a sample size of what probably is a

433
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larger problem within the dod especially

434
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if this guy was able to get a uh

435
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get

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um

437
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you know get by doing that for so long

438
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,839
i bet there were instigators and people

439
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,440
that would prop them up and support that

440
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,360
kind of behavior but

441
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,039
yeah sure

442
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:07,439
yeah as it says in the article according

443
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to elizondo and several current and

444
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,199
former defense officials that the

445
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,520
debrief spoke with the pentagon's

446
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inconsistent messaging on elizondo's

447
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involvement in atip and general aversion

448
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to being open about its interest in uip

449
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is in large part due to one person lou

450
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:26,799
elizondo's former boss

451
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or as one current senior intelligence

452
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official worded it when speaking with

453
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the debrief quote gary [\h__\h] read

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unquote

455
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right yeah

456
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yeah oh

457
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,880
clearly upset reid wanted to know what

458
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,120
he should do with elizondo's resignation

459
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,039
letter and demanded he come to see him

460
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at the pentagon when elizondo declined

461
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:51,200
the invitation reid reportedly

462
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,720
threatened him saying he would tell

463
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,039
people you're crazy and it might impact

464
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your security clearance

465
00:18:03,029 --> 00:17:59,679
so clearly there was there seemed to be

466
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a personal vendetta and also i mean

467
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,200
we're also you know we're looking at the

468
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,520
case of one particular person here but

469
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:09,840
it it deserves mentioning that we're

470
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,799
also looking at a potentially

471
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um

472
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a huge

473
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procedural or structural problem

474
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with regard to disclosure and

475
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:25,919
transparency efforts when it comes to

476
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,080
anomalous studies when it comes to uap

477
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when it comes to ufos because what we're

478
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:34,720
looking at is is is gary susan others

479
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:37,360
that that are tasked with counter

480
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:38,720
intelligence

481
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,480
uh handling the uap task force office

482
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and handling the current office

483
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,400
right and so and so this it deserves to

484
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,799
just be completely transparent and

485
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,960
looked at from the community at large

486
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,880
that you know if we're gonna sit here

487
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and we're going to

488
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,760
look at this as an uphill battle you

489
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,960
know we always knew it was going to be

490
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,960
an uphill battle trying to get

491
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,480
transparency

492
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:06,640
from the pentagon and from this office

493
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,400
but when you think about it from a

494
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,240
counterintelligence perspective this

495
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,120
uphill battle becomes like you look down

496
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,960
and it's like you're not even on a hill

497
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you're on whatever they decided you're

498
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,880
on you know what i mean you're in a hall

499
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,080
of mirrors

500
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right yeah definitely

501
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,600
well yeah and just how we read about um

502
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:27,520
dude coach and susan gallo on what to

503
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say um you know to

504
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for like media responses or whatever

505
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:35,600
you know it's um

506
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:36,400
that

507
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,400
sense for so many people you know and

508
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,799
i would recommend looking back at some

509
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,640
of the other characters

510
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,799
that are involved in ufo twitter who

511
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,160
have really

512
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,559
taken the lines like that

513
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,640
that susan gao has used

514
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that were given and she was coached to

515
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,919
use by this person against lou elizondo

516
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,159
and who is pushing those lines and it's

517
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,760
important to remember that stuff going

518
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,280
forward so you can have a clear head

519
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,640
when you're looking at all this kind of

520
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:08,400
information because

521
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:09,280
that

522
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is

523
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important

524
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,840
you know that's to me one of the more

525
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,280
important things that came out of the

526
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,679
uap part of this story

527
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,600
and then this

528
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,760
you know that's right that's right yeah

529
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:22,720
yeah

530
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,320
was jt parker on twitter that that

531
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,440
highlighted this this is this is um from

532
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:33,200
robert hastings

533
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:35,679
and uh pointing out here

534
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,559
um

535
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,480
just throwing that yeah by surprise i

536
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,120
hope you don't mind yeah no that's great

537
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,080
but but basically what this okay just a

538
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:45,840
little bit of context before going to

539
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,559
that is that in uh tim mcmillan

540
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:50,480
mentioned in this article that the new

541
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,600
person who's going to be taking over or

542
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:55,600
who has already taken over at least in

543
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,880
the interim the aoi msg office now again

544
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,880
that's that's not like a chinese food

545
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,880
ingredient that is the new

546
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,200
kind of version of the uap task force

547
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,159
office right um that has been given a

548
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,840
name that is

549
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,200
very difficult to remember and it's

550
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:13,200
definitely not astro which is what we

551
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,320
thought we were going to have for a

552
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:17,360
little while right um and so now we have

553
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,320
aoi msg and for the interim that is

554
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,120
going to be overseen by a guy named

555
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:24,799
aaron prupus

556
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,679
force major general who most recently

557
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,679
served as the director for intelligence

558
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,919
and information of the united states

559
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,520
northern command

560
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:37,200
prior to that he held the same position

561
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,350
that's right in april 2021 he was

562
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,720
assigned to become the director of

563
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,720
defense intelligence for war fighter

564
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,039
support at the office of the under

565
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,080
secretary of defense for intelligence so

566
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,120
that's when he had to move back uh to dc

567
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,280
it sounds like now i can't

568
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,440
now you know to the guy's credit and

569
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,360
thinking of all of us as human beings i

570
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,679
can imagine that that was a very

571
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,760
difficult conversation that he may have

572
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,840
had with his wife that day and telling

573
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:09,679
her that they're gonna have to move from

574
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,640
colorado to washington dc however

575
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:16,000
this is a guy

576
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,760
um that you know when in talking about

577
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,840
disclosure efforts and uap efforts in

578
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
general and talking about cases you know

579
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,480
if you've watched any more than one

580
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,440
episode of witness citizen or have have

581
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,400
done some some of the reading

582
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,919
you would know that

583
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,120
probably the most difficult

584
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,679
branch of the military to get data from

585
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,679
with regard to disclosure efforts and

586
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:44,159
with regards to ufo's new ips is the air

587
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,120
force

588
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,200
right so having a guy

589
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,960
that was that was one of the big wigs

590
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,240
that nora had

591
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,039
out at uh peterson air force base

592
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,960
uh in colorado

593
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,960
um you know what do you think about that

594
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,080
sean

595
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,039
well i think it's very interesting um

596
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,600
you know as much research as i have

597
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,480
put into you know older um

598
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,039
you know investigations of ufo reports

599
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,520
uh one thing is has been clear to me

600
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,440
throughout that time and even i'm sure

601
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,600
up until now is that norway

602
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,559
uh gets a lot of ufo reports and has

603
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:20,559
gotten a lot of ufo reports most of

604
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,159
which we have never even seen you know

605
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,400
and there are no reds listed on a lot of

606
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,039
blue book reports as well you know

607
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,520
um they have what's called

608
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,640
janapp 146 which is basically a service

609
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,840
report

610
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,520
s-c-i-r-v-i-s which is their version

611
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:42,720
norad's version of um you know

612
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:47,440
not just ufos but an incident report

613
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,400
and

614
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,000
you know it's a joint thing with canada

615
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,559
but we've never gotten any you know

616
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,520
um

617
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,080
you know disclosure or information from

618
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,799
them on any of these ufo reports

619
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,400
and that's the person that's walking

620
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:02,640
into here and i also saw

621
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,279
an affiliation with an ai uh sc perhaps

622
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,960
uh which was

623
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,760
basically what attic blue book you know

624
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,919
foreign technology division

625
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,279
all the way up to that and aisc it's all

626
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:18,640
been the same and it's all been at ray

627
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,480
patterson air force base so to me

628
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,440
you know if precedence has anything to

629
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,200
do with what we'll see in the future it

630
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:29,760
could quite possibly be the same i don't

631
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,799
know as far as uap transparency somebody

632
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:35,600
could be a good person be nice to his

633
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:38,960
co-workers and still be a jerk as far as

634
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,279
uh disclosing ufo information so

635
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,760
yeah absolutely absolutely i mean the

636
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,880
fact that he was director of

637
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,400
intelligence and information for air

638
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,520
combat command it feeds into that screen

639
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,760
grab that you're about to show and for

640
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,440
context for people out there along with

641
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,520
norad you know peterson air force base

642
00:25:02,789 --> 00:24:59,600
is kind of crucial you mentioned wright

643
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,799
patterson and peterson air force base

644
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,520
has now been transformed into one of

645
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,000
this the major space force branches

646
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,559
right or one of the major sites for the

647
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,400
space force and of course wright

648
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,640
patterson is also

649
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:15,600
um

650
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,440
not the same but similar in that right

651
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,600
patterson also covers a lot of space

652
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:24,880
force issues

653
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,480
through there so um so it's important to

654
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,120
note that when thinking about um this

655
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,919
individual aaron prupus um

656
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,039
overseeing the new aoi msg office that

657
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,360
he's a guy who was director of

658
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,840
intelligence through norad that he was

659
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,400
handling um what's

660
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,039
he was adjacent to a lot of the

661
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,679
classified space programs that was those

662
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,760
being operated through the air force and

663
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,360
was also

664
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,279
instrumental in

665
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,720
and the

666
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,279
in defense operations that would be

667
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,200
carried out through norad so missile

668
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
defense and things like this

669
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,279
so it's it that's key to think about

670
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:07,200
before going into the screenshot now

671
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,029
i mean it's a little bit older and

672
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,200
basically it just uh talks about a

673
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,919
crackdown and not looking well on uh air

674
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,679
force pilots who are making these

675
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,799
reports

676
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,960
and you know it's all kind of stuff that

677
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,960
we know but it's in particular around an

678
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,960
incident that happened at uh warren air

679
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,720
force base where we have minutemen

680
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,240
nuclear bombs

681
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,279
um

682
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,320
but

683
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,960
i think we may transition here

684
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,039
into

685
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,960
christopher sharp time

686
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,559
because i see him

687
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,880
i see him in a little window down there

688
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,880
and he's

689
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,760
got his hair looking really nice

690
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,080
and he's got my favorite oh excellent

691
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,159
he's got my favorite suit on

692
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,840
and he's got his collar just the way i

693
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,840
like to see it

694
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,000
oh here he is i love this guy

695
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,600
okay

696
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,520
christopher sharpe it's great to see you

697
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,159
man it's been a little yeah not too bad

698
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,200
thanks guys not too bad at all just um

699
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,600
yeah just uh being a busy busy day been

700
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,520
doing my daytime job today trying to

701
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:15,279
keep up with everything that's going on

702
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,110
[Music]

703
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,669
so boring so boring oh that's good you

704
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:31,520
can throw a little uap stuff in there so

705
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,399
hey

706
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,520
what do you think of the piece that came

707
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:37,120
out today what are some of your initial

708
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,000
thoughts

709
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,159
oh i've got some takeaways especially

710
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,960
prepare you guys

711
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,559
so i think i think the first thing is

712
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,000
there's a lot of nonsense going around

713
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,200
and stuff people say oh it's because you

714
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,200
know the affairs and misconduct and

715
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,399
stuff like that

716
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,640
that's the reason you know why

717
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,640
um reid's no longer in position he's

718
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,200
been ousted no no if you look at the

719
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,039
report and from what

720
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,200
tim is telling you in a report

721
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,760
there is no clear we reason for his

722
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,880
dismissal

723
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,720
correct that is unclear

724
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,600
however louis hondu and his quotations

725
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,880
provided to the debrief is alluding to

726
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,520
the uap issue as the reason why an

727
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,080
observation of obfuscation and the way

728
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,799
that he's been acting so i i think there

729
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:23,600
is

730
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,039
something going on here um

731
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,679
and i it's been suggested it's been

732
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,840
suggested to me that it is to do

733
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,320
with uap as well so

734
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,640
well look at it look at it this way if

735
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,960
whatever the topic is or the situation

736
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:40,480
right if

737
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,440
you're

738
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,000
um coaching people to basically make

739
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,919
somebody look bad that used to work for

740
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,080
you or try to do

741
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,240
you know sheisty things that take away

742
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,320
their security clearance or whatever it

743
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,080
is like treating somebody like that out

744
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:56,720
to get them have a vendetta for them

745
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,159
whatever the topic is wherever you work

746
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,320
that's a viable offense

747
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,320
uh well the interesting thing is you've

748
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,919
got away with it for so long remember

749
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,399
there'd be multiple investigations that

750
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,520
found that he was doing some really bad

751
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,480
stuff

752
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,600
however

753
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:15,679
it was stated to the debrief that he had

754
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,679
some friends in high places

755
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:22,480
what does that tell you

756
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,710
and

757
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,559
yeah i don't know if he had friends in

758
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,720
high places to protect him from these

759
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,320
previous investigations which had

760
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,240
nothing to do about uap

761
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,000
what does that tell you about

762
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,399
their agenda perhaps and were they

763
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,120
protecting as well from

764
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,480
where they give

765
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,919
what yeah what was he just the guy he's

766
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,320
taking the fall from for this are there

767
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:52,880
people higher up who trying to kind of

768
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,480
cover up the uap topic

769
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,880
could yeah one thought i had is you know

770
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,039
that somebody put him in charge of the

771
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,600
the uap task force or office or

772
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,080
something right yeah so

773
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,679
who put them there that's what i'd like

774
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,520
to know this is what i want to ask as

775
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,039
well i want to know the protocols and

776
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,360
procedures that led to him being put in

777
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,799
that position because that's very very

778
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,399
important because

779
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,799
i i just find that actually just

780
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:20,080
disturbing

781
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,640
these claims that have been made about

782
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,360
usdi and a certain individual who i

783
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,120
think congress must have known about it

784
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,000
was made clear in elizondo's complaint

785
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,320
that it was gary reed we'd all heard of

786
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,760
gary reed's name before um well not all

787
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,200
of so sorry but a few people have heard

788
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,880
of him before so how was he able to

789
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,600
kind of you know head up the ai msg

790
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,399
despite all these disturbing allegations

791
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,480
around him that is just like it's

792
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,559
breathtaking and does that not take you

793
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,440
back to um gillibrand in her questioning

794
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,799
of stalch

795
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,640
yeah yeah because she was asking

796
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,880
specifically about the ig investigation

797
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,039
in the uaps and i was just thinking

798
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,720
about that not too long ago like man

799
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,240
it's been a while now

800
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,159
since since i started i wonder what's up

801
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,279
with that you know i've checked the

802
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,880
website now and again

803
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,960
um the other thing that we that we

804
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,000
learned in there is that uh some of the

805
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,200
intelligence um you know representatives

806
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,039
house intelligence reps or whatever i've

807
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,799
gotten briefings on this

808
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,159
on the uap since uh 2019

809
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,480
yes yes it was

810
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,159
yeah i i

811
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,840
kind of knew that but you don't need an

812
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,799
official

813
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,120
process whatever to actually have those

814
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,440
so even at the moment for example you've

815
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,440
got i think six briefings and reports

816
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,320
this year but if they want a con gradual

817
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,919
commit committee can just go and say

818
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,440
that i want a briefing now can you give

819
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,760
me a briefing

820
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,200
unannounced but you know according to

821
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,120
eric davis you know ate it never stopped

822
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,440
so and i think he alluded to as well

823
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:55,679
that a uap task force may be in place

824
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,990
what the hell is going on man right

825
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,600
now chris

826
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,360
do you remember when you first heard

827
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,159
about gary reed and earlier today you

828
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,440
alluded to

829
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:10,640
um

830
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,519
that there might be some some follow-up

831
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,279
coming from the liberation times is

832
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,480
there anything that you'd like to say

833
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,799
about that in terms of

834
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,640
what may be coming up in terms of our

835
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,320
follow-up information

836
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,919
not at the moment i'm not until any

837
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,000
everything um anything's confirmed

838
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,279
obviously i've asked for for comments

839
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,080
um regarding the story from various

840
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,240
individuals um but i'm not sure who's

841
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,240
going to speak about it um but it but

842
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,480
the name has been brought up

843
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,399
on occasion to me

844
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,640
um from people

845
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,679
let's say if you want to tell their

846
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,840
stories but being fearful

847
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,440
for telling their stories because of

848
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:49,679
this one individual i mean this guy is

849
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,039
like i mean he's former delta force

850
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,600
he's a guy that you do not want to mess

851
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,440
with in these guys these people's eyes

852
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,640
you know that

853
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,640
i wouldn't say they're afraid of him but

854
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,159
they just don't want the trouble on that

855
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,200
in their life i'd just say um

856
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,039
and you have to be empathetic and

857
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,559
understanding to that because you just

858
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,919
don't know what it's like to be in their

859
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,200
shoes and

860
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,000
uh obviously it sounds like um he made

861
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:16,000
people's lives pretty bad

862
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,039
you know

863
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,720
uh when they did things that he didn't

864
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,039
like that can we read so

865
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:24,000
um hopefully did do you see this kind of

866
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,519
um

867
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:26,799
you know

868
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,960
segwaying to a sea change of of any bit

869
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,039
of any sort do you expect kind of the

870
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,760
the the same behavior what do you expect

871
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,559
to see what are your feelings

872
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,880
yeah yeah so i've asked

873
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,080
some people

874
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:43,440
um

875
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:49,360
and it's it's basically

876
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,399
you know

877
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,000
how how how can ousd

878
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,799
ins continue to be the home of aoi msg

879
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,840
despite

880
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,519
you know with the disturbing accusations

881
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,360
surrounding reid and the fact he was

882
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,159
able to get away with so long as well

883
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,480
i mean how can this office be fit for

884
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,600
purpose

885
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:09,200
yeah you've got to be leading for that

886
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,079
long

887
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,399
i mean something's going on something is

888
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,480
going on i think and um even the

889
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,720
creation of it right

890
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,960
yeah yeah i mean like it was right

891
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,800
before

892
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,040
the bill passed

893
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,440
yeah absolutely it's just ridiculous and

894
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,240
now and also elizondo mentioned as well

895
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,000
that he'd heard that goth had been

896
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,599
coached by

897
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,240
um reed on responses as well i mean this

898
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,480
guy's got his hands all over it and i i

899
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,639
mean if i'm someone like susan goff or

900
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,159
someone else who's involved this i'm

901
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,599
probably scared at the moment because i

902
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,000
think i i don't think it stops at reid i

903
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,079
that is my opinion that is my opinion

904
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,240
personal opinion but i do not think it

905
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,720
stops it read i i i'm not going to name

906
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,639
anyone but i just think it

907
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,639
and also i'd mention as well that when

908
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,000
people do

909
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:58,400
you know receive responses from susan

910
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,359
goff

911
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,440
and they take her word for it her exact

912
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,960
word for it

913
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,599
i mean does this not prove now that

914
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,839
these people are just

915
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,520
very very

916
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,880
that well let's say they should be

917
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,000
reading

918
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:14,000
between the lines and not taking her

919
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,280
word for it they should be analytical

920
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,960
they should be critical and they should

921
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,680
be thinking to themselves why has the

922
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,200
pentagon

923
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,320
seem to go go back on in terms of what

924
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,880
louis lozando's responsibilities were i

925
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,720
mean there's something going on here you

926
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,880
know people should not take

927
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,800
susan they should not

928
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,800
see it as gospel and a lot of people in

929
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,720
the ufo community have seen what susan

930
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,720
gothard said and said oh this came from

931
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,800
an official person you know within the

932
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:42,079
pentagon and thought oh yeah we've got

933
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
to give this way

934
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,640
i mean come on

935
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,320
lou edison was telling the truth he's

936
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,480
been vindicated

937
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,040
yes absolutely and along those lines of

938
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,119
of not of

939
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,000
you know does it concern you having had

940
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,960
senior counter intelligence officials

941
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:01,359
overseeing the uap task force and real

942
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,200
recently aoi msg you know susan uh you

943
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:06,880
know gary

944
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:10,000
what does this say to you in terms of

945
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:10,960
what

946
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,200
yeah great question well susan goff was

947
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,240
psyops psychological warfare um so all

948
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,079
these people that have been accusing lou

949
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,839
of running some kind of psyop operation

950
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,760
or being part of it it's kind of like

951
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,079
okay cool that's fine but you don't know

952
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,560
what a counter-intelligence officer is

953
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,560
go and read it up you know but if you

954
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,400
actually do want to have a discussion

955
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:38,960
about psyops okay look at the pentagon's

956
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,640
official you know spokesperson on ua uap

957
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:44,160
by the way if you if you ask the air

958
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,280
force

959
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
or you know department of uh national

960
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,079
intelligence they'll tell you to go to

961
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,119
golf she's a psyop operative that's her

962
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,520
background i mean why are they those

963
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,800
same people are criticizing louis psyop

964
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,079
why are they not looking at why they're

965
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,520
not questioning goth it makes you think

966
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,280
doesn't it it really does make you think

967
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,119
why they're not we're not questioning it

968
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:07,119
their way around and yes it is worrying

969
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,320
because these people do not have the

970
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,800
skill set to actually undertake and

971
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,800
perform the mission it needs to in my

972
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,079
opinion it needs to go somewhere like

973
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,200
space force um you you know and you want

974
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,000
to make um you want to utilize it

975
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,560
facilities such as norad for example

976
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,760
and some some of the radar um radar and

977
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,000
sensor technology which is available to

978
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,920
you and people kind of who know what

979
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,359
they're doing in terms of tracking these

980
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:33,040
things and then you want an intelligence

981
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,839
component as well perhaps in washington

982
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,440
dc um that's what that's what you need

983
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,079
um and and also they can't contract as

984
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,359
well a usd ins cannot contract

985
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,960
and that's an ability that you need to

986
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,760
actually complete the mission so i

987
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,280
i don't know where it goes from here but

988
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,520
i just don't see how any senator looking

989
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,520
at this story can be like

990
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,599
yeah you know osdi

991
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,359
and s have done a good job at the moment

992
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,720
you know they're really really

993
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,480
trustworthy we can trust them to kind of

994
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,240
perform this mission that we've staked

995
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,240
our reputations on how can any sit and

996
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,400
senator of representatives stay that say

997
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,320
that now especially as we know that this

998
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,240
guy was basically in charge of aoi msg

999
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,079
it's complete bonkers

1000
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,560
i'd be really curious to know how that

1001
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,160
the one uh classified briefing went it

1002
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,400
do we know if that happened at all

1003
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,760
because we're supposed to have one by

1004
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,480
now

1005
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,160
yeah so from my understanding there's no

1006
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,400
reason to believe it didn't happen but

1007
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,839
as they're still implementing looking to

1008
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,800
implement um

1009
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,359
the will of congress

1010
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
not much progress has been made from my

1011
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,640
understanding from understanding what

1012
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,520
i've been told by susan goff um

1013
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:43,920
currently the investigation

1014
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,359
um is still at 2021 levels so basically

1015
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:49,599
they're still just looking on military

1016
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,960
ranges and stuff like that um

1017
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,880
you know what's funny is that that that

1018
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,920
nro document that came out um

1019
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,599
kind of shows you

1020
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,920
like what's possible they said

1021
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,520
specifically like

1022
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,560
basically you just have to tell us nro

1023
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,480
what to look for

1024
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,040
we'll look for it and we'll find it and

1025
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,440
we'll report back on it you know like

1026
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,599
that's how easy

1027
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,160
or how this should really go but for

1028
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,160
whatever reason whether they're not

1029
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:22,000
telling them what to look for which i

1030
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,800
doubt

1031
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:24,880
and they are they're just not sharing it

1032
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,800
with people you know the nro and nga was

1033
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,040
listed in those emails and

1034
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,880
it's so funny because you know john

1035
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,440
ramirez told us that from the start

1036
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,760
you know isn't that funny it's like

1037
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,079
people questioning the guy right away

1038
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,400
and he's told us um the

1039
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,040
the story right away you know um they

1040
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,400
control the satellites the spy

1041
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,480
satellites and everything it's like so

1042
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,560
we know where the information is just go

1043
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,960
get it and give it to us what we can see

1044
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,720
that's all i got to say yeah i'm kind of

1045
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,160
hogging the mic but

1046
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,760
no absolutely you've made a really good

1047
00:40:01,270 --> 00:40:00,400
point and john ramirez incredibly good

1048
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,280
egg

1049
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,359
i always manage and you managed as well

1050
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,160
to um confirm he was who he said he was

1051
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,760
as well i mean you didn't even need to

1052
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,520
do that you just needed to actually talk

1053
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,800
to him and know the level of knowledge

1054
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,200
that he had to know he was who he was i

1055
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,880
mean i'm really really questioning

1056
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,119
certain people's analytical skills at

1057
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,880
this point

1058
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,119
it just boggles the mind there are some

1059
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,800
really really bad eggs in this community

1060
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,640
right now um

1061
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,240
and it's time they take a really really

1062
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,560
long good look at themselves because

1063
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,079
they're really muddying the waters and

1064
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,920
they're creating a toxic atmosphere and

1065
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,359
it's time to call them out it's time to

1066
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,440
call them out now i think this you know

1067
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,920
this stuff around gary reed um it's

1068
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,680
going to vindicate what what lou has

1069
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,680
been saying all along and you know what

1070
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,800
there's going to be a lot more of this

1071
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,200
as well i think more i think more is

1072
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,720
going to happen

1073
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,200
definitely

1074
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,480
now along those lines

1075
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,000
what are your thoughts

1076
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,480
we see that there's at least an interim

1077
00:41:03,750 --> 00:40:59,920
person aaron prupus that's going to be

1078
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,760
taking over the aoi msg or

1079
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:05,359
overseeing that

1080
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,720
office now aaron is a again a united

1081
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,880
states air force major general who most

1082
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,800
recently served as the director for

1083
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:14,800
intelligence and information of the

1084
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,160
united states northern command

1085
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:20,960
now have you heard anything about uh mr

1086
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,480
prupus do you have any any thoughts or

1087
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:27,839
or analysis about what it means

1088
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,440
um moving kind of from the position that

1089
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,319
that gary reed was coming from and into

1090
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,319
the position of a senior air force

1091
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,200
official um taking over at least for the

1092
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,560
time being

1093
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,400
well he's a career intel officer and he

1094
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,920
was only assigned to his current

1095
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,720
position he's got a moment this month

1096
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,440
by the acting air force secretary um

1097
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,920
john p roth um

1098
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,599
so

1099
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,720
i mean we can't just tar us air force

1100
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,119
personnel i guess with with one bra with

1101
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,880
one brush

1102
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,520
but obviously when you see you know

1103
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,599
us air force

1104
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,440
you know on his um on his career

1105
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,440
spectrum then that doesn't bode well but

1106
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,160
look these guys are at the ig mean

1107
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,560
business now i think if it is confirmed

1108
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,200
that there was a large element of uap

1109
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,680
being the reason before for reed's

1110
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,880
ousting

1111
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:22,960
then

1112
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,079
i mean yeah try to obfuscate now try try

1113
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,240
try what reid was doing you know and see

1114
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,560
what happens to you so i think everyone

1115
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,560
knows now that they mean business if

1116
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,800
that is confirmed to be the case

1117
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,280
obviously it's speculation that was uap

1118
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,800
which was confirmed to be the large

1119
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,960
aspect of why he was ousted but if it is

1120
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,960
then yeah i would definitely watch my

1121
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:45,920
back and um yeah in my opinion anyhow it

1122
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,880
doesn't matter if um if pre-pass has got

1123
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,920
this portfolio at the moment i'm hoping

1124
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,079
really really hoping um i've asked this

1125
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,880
question before whether the usdi and s

1126
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:58,560
can actually really

1127
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:02,319
um you know continue with ai msg it just

1128
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,630
no it doesn't

1129
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,359
go ahead jay if you get a question no no

1130
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,520
you you for sure

1131
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:15,520
um

1132
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,119
this is more of something that i that i

1133
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,960
want to say more than a question i guess

1134
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,760
but

1135
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,119
you know how

1136
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,640
everything

1137
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,280
can look so gross and look so messy and

1138
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,000
look so nasty right

1139
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,680
but think about a time in your life when

1140
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,560
when you had to grow you know when you

1141
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,040
had to take a hard step or make a hard

1142
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,160
decision

1143
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,359
to do the necessary thing that

1144
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,079
allowed you to build on top of yourself

1145
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,240
to be a better person right

1146
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,880
when we look at this situation

1147
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,359
i think it's important to know

1148
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,119
that that's a process we're going

1149
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:00,640
through right now

1150
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:04,000
i don't think this situation is a

1151
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,800
uh

1152
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,280
yet maybe indicative of you know a

1153
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:10,079
larger problem there but what it is is

1154
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,119
it's

1155
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,680
a process of growing

1156
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,920
and taking out

1157
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,000
the warts so to speak

1158
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,960
you know

1159
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,640
because that's the first process you

1160
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,599
took out one of the jenga blocks you

1161
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,760
know and hopefully the other ones will

1162
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,760
start falling and that's a process that

1163
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,560
will continue and things will get better

1164
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,040
as it goes on and maybe that's why lou

1165
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,800
sometimes says you know if you want

1166
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,880
disclosure tomorrow go get a hobby go

1167
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,800
get a job this might take a while

1168
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,200
because doing things like that

1169
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,920
like this person to macmillan to your

1170
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,839
investigation

1171
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,599
it might take a while

1172
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,640
you know but it's okay

1173
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,680
if

1174
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,520
we continue to grow

1175
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,160
and and weed out the bad eggs

1176
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,720
uh such you know as people like gary

1177
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,760
reed so um i think it's

1178
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,200
as bad as it can look i think overall

1179
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,079
this is a positive thing and it might be

1180
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,280
hard to see

1181
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,359
the future right now and what this is

1182
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:13,680
going to look like but i think when we

1183
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,119
do try to see it we can look at it

1184
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,839
in a positive way

1185
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,200
very very well said my friends

1186
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,280
yeah and along those lines

1187
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,800
along those lines i i think it's

1188
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,119
probably important that it gives

1189
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,359
it gives color and it gives nuance and

1190
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,160
shape to the idea that we are not

1191
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,119
um as as much as people would like to to

1192
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:38,880
think of it this way sometimes we're not

1193
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,079
dealing with a completely monolithic

1194
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,079
uh organization you know what i mean

1195
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,599
we're not dealing

1196
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:46,560
with

1197
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,560
a bureaucracy that is that is completely

1198
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,119
well well sorted and well situated uh

1199
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,440
we're often dealing with siloed

1200
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,440
departments we're dealing with people

1201
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,040
that don't necessarily get along with

1202
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,720
each other they don't even necessarily

1203
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,319
know what each other do

1204
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,319
you know they could be in an office

1205
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,319
across the hall from each other and have

1206
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,880
absolutely no idea about about what that

1207
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,800
person does in their day-to-day

1208
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,640
day-to-day work you can even have

1209
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,440
somebody like gary reed that uh is

1210
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,839
ostensibly overseeing an office and not

1211
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,200
necessarily know

1212
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,720
everything that's going on in that

1213
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:22,640
particular office which is kind of

1214
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,760
fascinating right so in terms of of you

1215
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,599
know the idea of palace intrigue or

1216
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,240
something like this this is a this is it

1217
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,560
can be bewildering to look at these

1218
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,480
stories but how but

1219
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,560
in a story like today

1220
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,440
we get a little bit more understanding

1221
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,920
of of what's what's going on here and

1222
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,359
what to look forward to in the days

1223
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,720
ahead

1224
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,000
um

1225
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,000
and along those lines i agree with you

1226
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,359
sean and i agree with you christopher

1227
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,720
that you know

1228
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,880
or what i think i hear from both of you

1229
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,119
and that you know we can't just think

1230
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,880
that something's going to happen

1231
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,400
tomorrow it's all going to come out

1232
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,079
tomorrow or in the next or in the next

1233
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,560
few days and also that it

1234
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,520
to me what i see is that

1235
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,560
it just kind of proves the the fact that

1236
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,040
we need to be looking at this issue from

1237
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,839
parallel tracks we can't focus all our

1238
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,079
energy on susan gough you know what i

1239
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:17,920
mean we can't focus all of our energy

1240
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,359
necessarily on on on gary reed or even

1241
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,359
luella zondo or people like this like

1242
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
this is why it's important for academia

1243
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,920
to be involved in situations like this

1244
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,160
this is why project galileo is important

1245
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,720
why it's important for for for science

1246
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,880
innovators to to really adapt to this

1247
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,359
field so that we so that we can look at

1248
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,839
these situations from from more

1249
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:41,839
independent minds that can really

1250
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,280
approach the issue in a way that will

1251
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:47,040
move things forward a little bit more

1252
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,319
cleanly

1253
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,200
what do you guys think about that

1254
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,040
absolutely and i i would also say

1255
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,040
experiences now as well

1256
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:57,760
um i think you know sean

1257
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,260
um

1258
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,559
[Music]

1259
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,040
sean sean has alluded to this

1260
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:05,200
um sean cake has alluded to this before

1261
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,480
that um soon people

1262
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,000
like christopher wolford for instance

1263
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,520
experiences

1264
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,319
will have a large role a large part to

1265
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,839
play in this as well

1266
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,880
um

1267
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,040
i think that may

1268
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,640
start with um

1269
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:22,640
military witnesses let's say

1270
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,040
um as i said um a lot of um

1271
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,079
a lot of people may have been quite

1272
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:32,000
let's say not scared but they just

1273
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,280
didn't want the trouble in their life

1274
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,000
from coming out with information

1275
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:37,760
because the fear of repercussions coming

1276
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:40,640
from usd ins

1277
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:44,319
so i i i really think that yeah i really

1278
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:45,359
think that hopefully we're going to get

1279
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,079
more

1280
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,040
experiences from military and i mean

1281
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,720
they will carry more weight at the end

1282
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:52,880
of the day um uh

1283
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,319
to the neutral public let's say um and

1284
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,800
to a judge injury let's say as well then

1285
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,720
just um your average joke because these

1286
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:01,920
are these people in a lot of

1287
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,040
circumstances are trained observers

1288
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,160
and

1289
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,920
they know all the classified technique

1290
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:09,119
well not all the classical technology

1291
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,240
but they're privy to the classified

1292
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,599
technology as well

1293
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,839
so i'm hoping that we we get them as

1294
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,400
well but yeah we need holistic

1295
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,079
view about this and you know as things

1296
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:19,839
like the galileo project

1297
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,880
um make progress the pressure will

1298
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,119
grow as well on those

1299
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,200
sections of the dod that are hiding

1300
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:33,750
yeah i i can't wait to find out on that

1301
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:37,040
note um jonathan davies um

1302
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,079
um

1303
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,000
you know it's a good question for you

1304
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,760
here what are your uh what's your

1305
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
opinion on the chances of public

1306
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,200
hearings i would i would say you know if

1307
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,599
you were not asking me but i would start

1308
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,440
and say with the world as it is right

1309
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,920
now uh maybe that's not something that

1310
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,920
would would happen this year unless

1311
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,680
things were you know

1312
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,000
going to come down come down somehow

1313
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,079
with world conflicts but that's just me

1314
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,839
what do you think

1315
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,440
it depends about

1316
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,800
i think it's 50 50 for next year um

1317
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,800
i mean in my mind

1318
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,800
i'd hope it be this year if not enough

1319
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,920
progress is made before midterms so that

1320
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,800
um

1321
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,880
senators and congressmen who

1322
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,800
going up for re-election

1323
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,880
um can have some ammunition there to say

1324
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,960
look i've been championing this look

1325
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,960
being vindicated in this so i'm hoping

1326
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:27,119
to not a lot of progress is being made

1327
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,359
in time for the unclassified um version

1328
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,800
public report

1329
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,319
on the uap is

1330
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,400
made available in october i'm hoping

1331
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,839
you'll have sooner but now i think

1332
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,000
realistically it's 50 50 for next year

1333
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,079
and in terms of um

1334
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,880
what affects it i mean if biden

1335
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,720
loses midterms

1336
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,640
that kind of complicates it but it's a

1337
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,880
bypass issue so i'm hoping it won't

1338
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,760
affect it too much also it depends on

1339
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,440
what's on the schedule of committees as

1340
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,319
well

1341
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,359
um

1342
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,079
so like cars cars and andrew carson he

1343
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,800
spoke about um hearings before he said

1344
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,960
it's dependent on our schedule because

1345
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,720
committees will have a schedule but

1346
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,000
they're just going to discuss at each

1347
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,839
meeting and stuff so if there's lots of

1348
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:11,040
discussion they've already got things

1349
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,079
planned

1350
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,920
it's very very hard to change

1351
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:15,280
proceedings

1352
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,160
um

1353
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,920
so it's dependent on that and one thing

1354
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,520
i'd add as well which i said before is

1355
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,839
that um you need to like you need to

1356
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,760
plan these wearing advanced public

1357
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,079
hearings you've got to know who you're

1358
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
going to call up as witnesses it'd be a

1359
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,480
huge deal everything yeah it's it's

1360
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,800
going to be well planned

1361
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,480
it's it's so important because you're

1362
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,040
only one shot and if you make a mess out

1363
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,520
of it you've screwed it for like a

1364
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,720
generation

1365
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,079
yeah you know we don't want to have to

1366
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,480
do it again like that didn't go so well

1367
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,480
but let's do it again in another 70

1368
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,440
years we'll give it a go

1369
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,079
so um i don't want to you know take up

1370
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,240
too much uh more of your time here i

1371
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:56,079
know you're a busy man with lots to do

1372
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,040
so

1373
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,359
first off i wanted to say thank you for

1374
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:01,760
for everything you do i mean i know it's

1375
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,559
um

1376
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,960
a passion project and and you don't get

1377
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,280
any um you know it's not something you

1378
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,280
could live off of or even

1379
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,960
probably have fun time on the weekends

1380
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:12,720
off of and i'm right in the same boat

1381
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,680
with you and jay and um but you know the

1382
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,559
work you do is really important and i'm

1383
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,880
so very appreciative and i know i speak

1384
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,880
for you know the greater uh part of the

1385
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,880
community when i say that so thank you

1386
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,359
for everything you do i truly mean it

1387
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,160
from the bottom of my heart um and with

1388
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,400
that being said um is there anything

1389
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,960
that you want to you know leave us with

1390
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,680
or

1391
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:36,800
anything you want to say about the

1392
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,520
situation or anything else but before we

1393
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,119
let you go

1394
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:42,640
um

1395
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,559
liberation times still got articles in

1396
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,960
the works we're now focusing a lot on

1397
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,280
exclusives they will still do the

1398
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:54,640
analytical pieces um but the next story

1399
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,800
that i release may not premiere on

1400
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,599
liberation times let's say and um

1401
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:04,160
i'll leave it at that

1402
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:05,040
what

1403
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,720
very interesting

1404
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:09,760
all right

1405
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,150
[Music]

1406
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,270
absolutely love you too christopher uh

1407
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,640
please say hello to uh the wife and kid

1408
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,480
for us and uh

1409
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,559
and we uh look forward to seeing you

1410
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,400
again in the days ahead thank you so

1411
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,760
much for your analysis today it's been

1412
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,920
absolutely crucial appreciate it you

1413
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,559
guys thank you

1414
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,400
see you bye

1415
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,800
all right what are you going to make so

1416
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,680
you're going to make me big oh come on

1417
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,440
wait which way do i point to get to you

1418
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,720
this way okay

1419
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,280
we should we should

1420
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,960
i like it when we're even steven there

1421
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,119
we go that's better that's better you

1422
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,640
know what view i hate

1423
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,800
this one this one sucks

1424
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,119
yeah i'm not i didn't even have that one

1425
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,920
i don't know man i like the tron grid uh

1426
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,920
down beneath i it really helps me to see

1427
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,480
a horizon line anyway it's great to oh

1428
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,640
don't do that come on man please you're

1429
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,559
gonna make me dizzy you know what

1430
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,960
happens when you get dizzy um

1431
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,720
so it's great to see chris that's

1432
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,960
absolutely wonderful uh yeah i'm glad

1433
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,040
that he was able to jump in at the last

1434
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,440
minute uh you know these

1435
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,720
it's uh

1436
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,160
for those out there in the chat and

1437
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,079
those watching you know it's it's

1438
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,760
interesting when these situations happen

1439
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,240
where a big article comes out a big

1440
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,960
story and it really drives the day and

1441
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,319
you know if you

1442
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,240
if we had plans for the show you just

1443
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,760
kind of check them over your shoulder

1444
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:40,640
and

1445
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,760
just have to move them over to next week

1446
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,079
or you know perhaps you know even after

1447
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,280
that we'll see

1448
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:53,839
but um i'm glad that we were able to

1449
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,280
adapt to this i'm so glad that uh

1450
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,599
i'm i i was glad to see this today you

1451
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,160
know it helps it helps give nuance to

1452
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,280
the conversation and i think yeah

1453
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,119
and uh i'm sure that there'll be

1454
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,240
follow-up reporting and hopefully

1455
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,640
uh more analysis in the days to come of

1456
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,599
course

1457
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:14,640
to

1458
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,920
from lou about how what what he he

1459
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,920
thinks about this i'd even be curious to

1460
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,440
hear what danny sheehan has to say about

1461
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,440
this and right i saw that mentioned in

1462
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,839
the chat a little bit i tried to reach

1463
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,319
out to danny no luck yet if anyone has

1464
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:31,920
his information or if he's watching

1465
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,799
somehow get in touch with me man

1466
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,920
i think it would be a great interview um

1467
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,599
one thing i wanted to say and i know you

1468
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,839
feel the same way about me before before

1469
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,240
we get out of here is um

1470
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:45,440
you know

1471
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,480
this whole

1472
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,480
kit green piece on the biological

1473
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,240
effects and all this kind of stuff and

1474
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,119
and you know people are saying he's

1475
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:55,920
sourcing the inquirer or whatever it is

1476
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,200
um everyone just needs to realize that

1477
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,599
the biological effects have been

1478
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,119
reported

1479
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,319
to all sorts of different people for

1480
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,000
decades

1481
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,599
and if you watch my show a couple years

1482
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,240
back we go through account after account

1483
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,839
after account

1484
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,079
some are even straight to the air force

1485
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,599
you know

1486
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,240
um so it's not a new

1487
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:22,240
thing it's not something

1488
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,540
um

1489
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,559
[Music]

1490
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,119
you know it's time to just grow up and

1491
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,599
realize that this happens

1492
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:31,119
you know

1493
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,480
because

1494
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,319
people don't deserve this kind of

1495
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:36,160
treatment that have gone through this

1496
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,440
kind of stuff

1497
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,040
and enough is enough they've been

1498
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,720
through enough

1499
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,599
you know

1500
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,480
um and they just don't deserve that

1501
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,720
and you know the other thing i'll say is

1502
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,400
the air force treated people who

1503
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,640
reported stuff like that historically

1504
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,480
during blue book

1505
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:54,960
uh like complete garbage calling them

1506
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,920
hallucinations or imaginative

1507
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,000
or what have you so

1508
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,319
they couldn't report to the air force

1509
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,359
anymore

1510
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,640
because of that

1511
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,839
you know so hence you know we see them

1512
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,920
reporting in other places but

1513
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,440
um so i think it's just important to

1514
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:13,680
keep that in mind is is don't let people

1515
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:16,960
bully these witnesses anymore or make uh

1516
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,079
people feel lesser than thou for having

1517
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,400
physical experiences because they might

1518
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,400
be mentioned in in this publication or

1519
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,280
that publication so absolutely i think

1520
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,839
that's absolutely crucial i mean along

1521
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,000
the lines of what you're saying yes you

1522
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,319
know physical effects have been

1523
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,480
happening since people

1524
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,040
seemingly begin encountering

1525
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,359
uh you know anomalous craft and

1526
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:43,440
anomalous be and you know non-human

1527
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,720
entities

1528
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,119
and it's time to just kind of come out

1529
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
in the open and discuss that for what it

1530
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,760
is you know i mean

1531
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,559
yeah

1532
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,119
when the days of of saying like oh it

1533
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,040
might be a russian drone those those

1534
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,920
days are over you know those days

1535
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,520
according to me anyway those days

1536
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,359
shouldn't have been here to begin with

1537
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,640
um yes that that was i i feel like that

1538
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:09,680
that premise was inherently

1539
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,880
problematic but you know a lot a lot of

1540
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,799
people will jump into the conversation

1541
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,640
and say this person or that person is

1542
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,040
taking advantage of the ufo community

1543
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,480
because of this or that or need to

1544
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,240
believe or this or that but guess what

1545
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,799
the people who feed you lines like

1546
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:26,799
russian drones or this or that are

1547
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:29,920
taking advantage of the innate um

1548
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,280
desire for people to want to think that

1549
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,160
things are normal you know as far as

1550
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,000
these things don't exist

1551
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,920
do you think that i

1552
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,079
you know my life would be a whole lot

1553
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,119
easier if i wasn't thinking about this

1554
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,200
if i didn't have an experience if i

1555
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,960
didn't feel like i had to try to figure

1556
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,559
it out you know

1557
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,480
it was a lot more simple

1558
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,839
but i can't

1559
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,839
you know and i'm looking further into

1560
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,079
this and people who feed you lines like

1561
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:00,319
drones or this or that are taking

1562
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,760
advantage of uh people that

1563
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,079
you know rather be lazy with their

1564
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,599
thoughts

1565
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,240
because it's easier to think that things

1566
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,599
are mundane and also

1567
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:15,839
russian drones exist

1568
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,200
chinese drones exist u.s drones exist

1569
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,119
but guess what so two unidentified

1570
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,200
flying objects that come from places

1571
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,440
that we are just unaware of

1572
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,319
absolutely that seemed that very much

1573
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,440
come from

1574
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,160
civilizations that that

1575
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,720
we are not very privy to

1576
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,119
in day-to-day life um yeah you know and

1577
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,119
and along the lines just before we get

1578
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,640
out of here today along since you

1579
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,200
brought up kid's paper i mean

1580
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,359
it's important i think to also remember

1581
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,040
that so many people

1582
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,880
so many people that participate in the

1583
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,880
online debate now these aren't the

1584
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,799
experiences that you deal with you know

1585
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,880
in your family in your interpersonal

1586
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,119
life you know when you talk to somebody

1587
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,720
and they say oh you know like i think i

1588
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,559
saw something you know the way that you

1589
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,559
and i talk to each other the way that i

1590
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,839
speak with other members of the

1591
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,680
experiencer group things like that you

1592
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,240
know when we're talking about the online

1593
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,319
debate on uh

1594
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,920
wherever the debate happens where it

1595
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,599
happens on reddit where it happens on

1596
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,200
twitter and things like this

1597
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:23,359
sometimes you're dealing with people

1598
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,799
that learned how to have this debate

1599
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:27,680
through

1600
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,520
counter intelligence people like susan

1601
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,359
like gary reed

1602
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,280
right you're you're dealing with people

1603
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,760
that learned how to have this debate

1604
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:39,920
through the rules that were given to

1605
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,040
them by project blue book right where

1606
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,280
it's like try to figure out how to spin

1607
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,160
this stuff try to figure out how you can

1608
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,400
have some kind of straw man attack some

1609
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:53,119
kind of ad hominem attack

1610
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:53,839
and

1611
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,319
here is that if you can't

1612
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,640
if you can't find a problem with the

1613
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,280
central premise of a paper go and try to

1614
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:05,839
attack one of the sources right this is

1615
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,799
a very common strategy in academia this

1616
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,799
is a pretty common strategy it's a it's

1617
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,280
a way to to try to blow apart an

1618
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,160
argument and a in a research paper and

1619
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,920
you know and sometimes it can be really

1620
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,760
effective but it's important to remember

1621
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,079
that in this situation you know when

1622
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,400
people say like oh you know there's a

1623
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,720
reference to or or kit green was

1624
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:29,040
referencing the national enquirer no

1625
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,559
okay there were 49 references in kit

1626
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,440
greens at the end of kit green's paper

1627
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,280
on the physical effects that

1628
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:40,240
experiencers have suffered through okay

1629
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,480
and in those 49 references one of those

1630
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:46,079
references

1631
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:50,319
uh was a mufon report put together years

1632
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,400
earlier and within that one reference

1633
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,280
some of the references in that report

1634
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:59,200
not even all of them yeah just that's

1635
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,000
right

1636
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,880
some of them were taken from the

1637
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:04,559
inquirer okay

1638
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,079
so you're dealing with a such a delusion

1639
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:09,920
and if you're if you're hearing from

1640
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,280
somebody online oh those those offset

1641
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,760
papers the dirt papers those kid greens

1642
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,280
paper whatever it's all from the

1643
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,240
national enquirer no okay there are 38

1644
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:23,039
papers inside one of those papers

1645
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,359
amongst 49 references one reference

1646
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:29,359
came from a paper

1647
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:30,240
that

1648
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,839
contained some reference from the

1649
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,000
inquirer so you can see how deluded this

1650
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,480
situation has become right

1651
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,559
and so if you hear that if you hear that

1652
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,880
from any particular person online

1653
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,160
remember

1654
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,400
what we're talking about here this is

1655
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,440
not a totality this isn't even a

1656
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,079
majority in one particular paper and it

1657
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,960
certainly doesn't debate the phys

1658
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,880
debase the physical effects that

1659
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,440
experiencers have suffered through

1660
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,799
uh for years

1661
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,559
and we'll go into this in future weeks

1662
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,319
and future episodes but of course there

1663
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:04,079
are people that have had positive

1664
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:05,039
effects

1665
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,000
from encounters with with non-human and

1666
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,920
entities and and with craft and things

1667
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,599
like this and there are people that have

1668
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,079
had negative situations and sometimes

1669
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,319
you know it deserves to be thought about

1670
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,160
you know uh

1671
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,799
things don't always go into the box of

1672
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,240
good and bad

1673
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,400
and things are often more complex than

1674
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,960
that and we're a bunch of adults or at

1675
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,559
least we try to be

1676
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,799
so when we try when we look at things

1677
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,280
around us when we look at situations and

1678
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,440
all we're doing is doing good bad

1679
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,200
positive and negative

1680
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,960
you know we're really doing ourselves a

1681
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,119
disservice in terms of the way that we

1682
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,680
characterize things sometimes

1683
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:46,160
yeah i think that's that's beautiful uh

1684
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,200
you know

1685
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,960
uh i can't think

1686
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:50,799
you know seldom are things really that

1687
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,230
and i think we'll find at least in my

1688
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:57,440
ufo

1689
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:00,960
experience encounter um i've had both

1690
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,599
i've had positive and i've had negative

1691
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,039
you know

1692
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,200
and i've had a mix of both

1693
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,280
you know it's so it's like

1694
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,240
it's just like it's not that one-sided

1695
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,400
for me personally so i'd imagine it's

1696
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,480
the same for other people

1697
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,160
a hundred percent and you know i mean

1698
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,880
i've i've used this before but you know

1699
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,400
if i were to

1700
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,079
say like oh

1701
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,440
you know my my neighbor

1702
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,760
he's you know he is terrible he is

1703
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,160
absolutely naked he's a negative being

1704
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,559
he's a horribly negative being you know

1705
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,640
you might think that i'm lacking nuance

1706
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:38,559
you know that i'm lacking some kind of

1707
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,200
critical faculties if i were to say that

1708
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,440
anybody around me was just a hundred

1709
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,280
percent good or a hundred percent bad

1710
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,079
you know uh where you know anytime

1711
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,000
you're dealing with with

1712
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:52,960
with a complex person you're dealing

1713
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,480
with a complex range of motivations and

1714
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:59,119
right so you know in any situation like

1715
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,000
that

1716
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,160
right so and aliens are other entities

1717
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,720
right like what are the chances that

1718
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,720
something like that that advance that

1719
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,640
would be able to do what it's doing and

1720
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,559
you know do with impunity whatever it

1721
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,119
wants is going to come down to a

1722
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,400
personality um that is either good or

1723
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,000
bad

1724
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,000
you know like

1725
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,079
i'm i would guess that there would

1726
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,640
probably be more um

1727
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,280
diversity in an individual being or

1728
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,440
whatever that looks like than we could

1729
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,079
imagine you know and any

1730
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,400
thing that it does you know might not

1731
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:36,960
even be based on anything and known to

1732
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,720
them as good or bad you know

1733
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,559
um might be working on a complete

1734
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,640
different scale than us it i think it's

1735
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,319
just our

1736
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,480
inability to imagine something that

1737
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,640
could act um

1738
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,640
non-human like and

1739
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,640
and even thinking about what that means

1740
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:56,160
you know

1741
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,359
so yeah

1742
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,200
absolutely and um

1743
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:01,039
i was listening to

1744
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:01,920
um

1745
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:05,039
somebody earlier today and she was

1746
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:06,000
saying

1747
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:07,440
um i

1748
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,440
i wish i could do this quote um well but

1749
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,119
it's very much along the lines of john

1750
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,359
mack and it was saying you know she was

1751
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,960
saying

1752
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:18,880
one of the central

1753
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,599
qualities of human beings are that we

1754
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:26,240
can take take pain and turn it into

1755
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,119
beauty

1756
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,960
right right yeah

1757
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,880
and i think that that's an absolutely

1758
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,039
important thing to remember in any

1759
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,440
situation when we're looking at this

1760
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,039
debate when we're thinking about

1761
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:39,280
anomalous studies and anomalous

1762
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,599
phenomena and how

1763
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,599
wild and strange

1764
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,079
this world around us can be or what

1765
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,000
happens when we're even dealing with

1766
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,799
consensus reality this reality that we

1767
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,640
enter into when we go to work or the

1768
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,440
grocery store or participate online in

1769
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,240
these kinds of conversations you know um

1770
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:00,720
we're we're we're we're dealing with

1771
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,319
complex topics at a very complex time in

1772
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,680
human history

1773
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,559
and and we're working on it together and

1774
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,920
i love what you're doing

1775
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,680
i love what you said there about uh

1776
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,720
turning uh pain into beauty i mean

1777
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:17,440
someone once said to me a while ago um

1778
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:19,039
that they'd be they'd be

1779
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,480
they'd hate their life if they didn't

1780
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,760
have pain

1781
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:24,000
if there was no negativity in it

1782
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:25,839
i mean because

1783
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,280
sometimes you know and it you know

1784
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,200
obviously not everything but you know

1785
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,599
certain um types of pain

1786
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,839
those are the things that fuel you that

1787
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,839
either put the chip on your shoulder or

1788
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,079
give you the creative juice you need to

1789
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,319
make that beautiful thing whether it's

1790
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,799
even a great day at work or a meal for

1791
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:46,480
your loved one or

1792
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:50,799
a song or being creative like sometimes

1793
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:53,440
that pain is the juice it's the fuel you

1794
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,480
know

1795
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:57,039
that makes you say i'm not gonna give up

1796
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,880
i'm not gonna quit i'm gonna fight and

1797
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,640
that's the energy sometimes that takes

1798
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,480
you over the top and puts you where you

1799
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:04,960
need to be you know so it just made me

1800
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,319
think that i thought that was a

1801
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,960
beautiful thing to bring up and say so

1802
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,400
um

1803
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,400
guess what

1804
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,000
sean's angry

1805
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,799
i know you're hungry and it's about

1806
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:18,080
working

1807
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,679
and we are we are at

1808
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,480
about eight past the hour so it's a good

1809
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,560
time to wrap up this has been a

1810
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,319
great conversation

1811
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,239
i'm glad that we were able to digest and

1812
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,120
analyze uh tim's work

1813
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,359
together today i'm glad that we were

1814
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,120
able to bring in our wonderful guest

1815
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,600
christopher sharp i already look forward

1816
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,080
to to getting analysis from him again in

1817
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,319
the future it's so good to see everybody

1818
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,440
in the chat

1819
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:47,199
and uh thank you all for joining us

1820
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,640
today um

1821
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,600
on uh on a big news day for the field

1822
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,839
and we look forward to continuing these

1823
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,400
conversations in the weeks and months to

1824
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:57,839
come for sure

1825
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,560
yes so uh like the video share it

1826
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,239
subscribe if you haven't i appreciate

1827
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,759
you guys hanging out being so great in

1828
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:04,719
the chat

1829
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,000
um and yeah i look forward to seeing you

1830
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,400
next time and yeah i'll talk to you soon

1831
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:11,520
my friend

1832
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:14,640
absolutely love you buddy love you too

1833
01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:39,669
[Music]

1834
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:42,100
so